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Webcast of the launch @ T-20 seconds - https://youtu.be/KXysNxbGdCg?t=6859


Everything nowadays comes packaged with excessive emote track.

People in the internet don't enjoy rocket launch with roaring sounds unless there is laugh track over it that validates that the launch is awesome and simulates social connection.


Those are the real emotions of the people at Blue Origin watching the launch. They've been working toward this moment for 24 years. Should they censor themselves because their "excessive" emotions offend you? Or maybe they should hire newscasters to do an disinterested presentation up to your standards, instead of employees who actually worked on it?


But you hear no crying or shouting during e.g. Moon landing [1]. TBH I expect "disinterested" behavior from professionals in such situations.

[1] https://youtu.be/xc1SzgGhMKc


That's not a video of live broadcast TV coverage. It's a recording of the operational communcations (which you could hear in the BO livestream and it didn't have crying or shouting). Actual TV broadcasts at the time did show some actual emotions including laughter and possibly even tears, despite being from professional newscasters rather than employees: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMF58ZP681A


> from professional newscasters rather than employees

Then it's not relevant.


You don't say. SpaceX used to have "technical" launch streams with just launch status updates, but even they no longer do that :-/


Didnt they get caught when a launch went badly but their narrator keep reading from the script, reporting events that clearly were not happening? I would watch a technical stream, but i can read a canned script myself.


No, that never happened.


I distinctly recall that occurring. The event was 28 January 1986, and whilst I didn't watch it live, I did catch it within a few hours.

Though that wasn't a SpaceX launch.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disas...>

The launch broadcast narration continued for several seconds following the vehicle explosion reporting either telemetry or programmed flight path information before breaking script with the infamous announcement "There's obviously been a major malfunction". Various reports I've seen are that the previous commentary was based on telemetry rather than watching video.


There was an F9 loss early in the program where the presenter was overcome by emotion. I would love to find an archive of all the launches including that one.


Unintentional remedy: with Starlink now giving them HD video coverage for the whole flight, I doubt they would be able to do this convincingly anymore. (Assuming they ever did. I do not know about any such launch)


Worst part of any SpaceX live stream.


>Everything nowadays comes packaged with excessive emote track.

You may have never done anything that warrants an emotional response.

Some of us have.

We enjoy seeing others express the joy we ourselves have felt at the end of a long, winding, process.


Is there a footage without the hysterical screeching?


SpaceX started it. NASA launches before it didn't have any of it.


All of them can't shut up and just let us watch the launch without listening to their bs like "...aand lift off for Orion space mission off Cape Canaveral which is a huge leap for humanity"


Yeah that excessive cheering and laughing really diminished it for me. Everything apparently needs an added hype team/track. What a world we live in.


Its a feed of the Blue Origin staff, who have been working towards this for years and years - makes sense that they would be pretty excited considering the level of success this was.

You dont have to consider everything you dont like to be a negative on the world


"I'm unhappy, so I'll force everyone else to be unhappy too" :/


Most news stories on tv are presented as being "Breaking News!" It's absolutely bonkers some of the things they'll push that way.


As has been noted by others, the emoting is a distraction. I could only watch this for a few seconds.

Another thing: why are they reporting speed in miles per hour, and altitude in feet? Surely anybody interested in space is familiar with SI units.


Just a guess, but aerospace generally works with feet for altitude and knots/mph for airspeed, internationally. I’m doing a PPL in Europe and we, like everybody, use feet and knots/mph. I believe this is because the US have been on the forefront of aerospace regulation (a set of rules called the chicago convention is the basis of all air law) and aircraft manufacturing.


Not for aerospace no

And knots are not mph, they're "nautical miles per hour" which are a different measure (1nm is 1.8km, not 1.6km as the regular mile")


Sorry, not a native speaker, I was under the impression that aerospace means air and space. I guess i meant aviation.

I didn’t imply knots are mph, I used the slash to signify “or”. They are completely different units, but both are used. Sometimes the airspeed indicator even has two scales, one for kt and one for mph.


Can confirm, all aviation worldwide deals in feet and knots. It's also because it's much easier to do calculations on the fly (literally) - in your head. Metric is precise and logical but harder to use in stressful situations.


Can you please give some real-world example of why it's easier to do calculations? Not disputing what you say, just hard for me to imagine why it would be so.


1 knot is about 100 ft/min which is very convenient for descent at a specific glide slope (i.e. for 100 knots ground speed at 5% slope you want 500 ft/min descent rate). Standard is 3° which is about 5%.

Knots are also handy for navigation as 1 nautical mile equals 1 minute of latitude. And of course a knot is 1 nautical mile per hour. So if you're doing 300 knots, that's 5 degrees of latitude per hour.

The units fit together nicely as a system.


The calculation in the metric system would not necessarily be more complicated, but it would be different because the reference points in the metric system are not directly aligned with the geography of the Earth.

"1 knot is about 100 ft/min which is very convenient for descent at a specific glide slope (i.e. for 100 knots ground speed at 5% slope you want 500 ft/min descent rate). Standard is 3° which is about 5%."

You are right. It's an easy calculation. But I would say its easy because its historically based on imperial units. Its easy to think about easy calculations like this in metric units like:

A 5% slope means descending 1 meter vertically for every 20 meters horizontally.


The gradient thing would work if ground speed and vertical speed were both in m/s, but km/h is more common in metric for a ground speed. You don't usually think in terms of hours during a climb/descent!

Glide slope of 3.6% would fit nicely though. Then, 100 km/h ground speed goes with vertical speed 1 m/s.

Metric navigation would use the fact 90 degrees of latitude is 10,000 km.


I suspect that the math is even easier using meters, meters, and meters per second than nautical miles, feet, and knots. I'll eat my hat if you can tell me the conversion from feet or inches to nautical miles without looking it up


Well if what they say is true then 100ft/min = 1 nautical mile/60min, so one nautical mile is 6000ft. Or I guess I missed the about so not exactly.


It's within about 1%


who is flying exactly north/south?


This sums it up. Metric is nice and clean tenths, but the real world is seldomly easily expressed in clean tenths.

Another example: The feet is cleanly divisible in thirds, quarters, and twelfths, which is greatly appreciated in industry and particularly construction.

Also to be bluntly mundane, almost everyone can just look down and have a rough measure of a foot which is good enough for daily use.

Also, the "sterility" of metric doesn't do it any sentimental favours. Japan loves measuring size/volume in Tokyo Domes, for example.


Not really, I have no idea what a foot is. But I can just look at yhe tiles and know they are 1*1 meter


Who cares? It's what the indicator says, I don't need to visualize feet to do calculations and talk to the tower about them.

If you can see a 1x1m tile from the cockpit, you're dead.


If you're an amputee I truly am sorry for you and hope the handicap hasn't disrupted your life too much.

Jokes(...?) aside though, your absolute deference to precision is an example of why metric flies over people's heads. Feets, Tokyo Domes, arguably even nautical miles and so on are relatable at a human level unlike metric which is too nice and clean.


This sort of argument is odd to someone in a country which uses both, where a yard is intuitively "a bit smaller than a metre", a pint corresponds to a pint glass or "about half a litre" rather than anything meaningful and I'm aware that a rod and a furlong are things but have absolutely no idea what they correspond to. A foot is comfortably bigger than the average foot size, and an inch really isn't an easier unit to approximate than a centimeter


The SI was specially aimed to reduce such meaningless discussions, yet we steel have big endians and little endians comparisons, long after the dust settled.


Now I'm wondering if right-to-left languages (e.g. funnily enough, Arabic) write the least significant digits at the left or the right.

EDIT: numbers in those languages are the same way as in English, the "ones" are at the right. Kinda strange!


One meter is about one long step for an adult. To approximate the length of a field, you just walk along it with big steps and count. It will not be correct, but pretty close. A cm is a little bit smaller than the width of your index finger. It's all bout what you are used to. Metric doesn't "fly over people's head" where metric is the standard way to measure things, but inches, feet, gallons, pounds, miles fly over our head because we are not used to it so don't have any frame of reference.


A foot is about 1 sheet of metric A4 paper :)


A meter is _exactly_ square root of area of A0 paper.


Yes and a blank 80 gsm A4 sheet weighs exactly 5g, if you need a weight reference!


Certainly not "worldwide". China uses metres. Recreational aircraft in Europe often use metres (almost all sailplanes).


No glider I have ever stepped in used metres. It doesn't make any sense, the tower wants to hear feet and knots and will communicate using that.


Thank you, I wasn't aware of China using metres. It turns out Russia uses them as well, confusingly below the transition level.


"Metric is precise and logical but harder to use in stressful situations."

That fully depends on your cultural background. Feet, miles etc. are so foreign to me that I would be unable to calculate with them under stress.

But I am not a pilot nor a navigator, so...


No, it doesn't. I'm European, never used imperial before I became a pilot, and it's easier. Check it out, the formulas are much simpler to do in your head. Intuition doesn't matter, all that matters is that I can do the calculations quickly so I know I'm within parameter limits.


I'm curious which ones you find easier? There or a few thermodynamics equations that are much more practical in SAE. This is because the many units are often developed out of within discipline experiment, whereas metric tries to use fundamental units across disciplines.


Take a look into a pilot handbook, they are all written down there.


Are you saying that every single equation in the book is easier in SAE than metric?


Nope


You can be just as precise with either system.


Glad to hear it wasn't just me being grumpy, I also found it immensely annoying and distracting.


Who cares what units they use? Anyone who is interested in space will have some knowledge of both kinds of units, and can do conversions if they need to.


Definitely should be football fields or school buses to make it comprehensible for the average viewer. Or “2 times the speed of a bullet”


> Another thing: why are they reporting speed in miles per hour, and altitude in feet? Surely anybody interested in space is familiar with SI units.

The audience that matters most to them is Americans, and they're happy to accommodate even those who are less interested in space.


Perhaps it's considered more patriotic to reject scientific units?

I don't understand why they reserve 6 digits for the speed in mph either. Are they expecting it to go beyond 99,999 mph?


Do they also report the speed of light as Walmart parking lots per standard commercial tv break duration?

Edit: as an Amazon product it would probably use Amazon(tm) cardboard box unit as the length metric and standardized warehouse drone toilet break as duration.


You're trying to break free of Earth's gravity well, so you might as well use Freedom Units.


Do you count them as Freedoms per second or is time included in a Freedom?


Have to agree with others that the horrible laughing ruins what should be a monumentous occasion for the company and humanity.


Think about it. The fruit of their hard work over all those years while enduring people pointing fingers and memes at them... and now their powerful rocket roars, rumbles and lifts... Ofcourse it is emotional. And looks like me personally enjoy it. Perhaps that is taken from spacex stream where you see people cheering on achieving significant milestones... just gives you some of it.

Perhaps that audio could have been only when showing people cheering or what, but anyways, I'm surprised BO even set up that much of a show for external viewers.

SpaceX obviously has spoiled us. Just think of what we could see before SX. Some visualization on how rocket fly?


Personally I like the contrast between the laugh of joy and relief and background cheers from the team that have spent the past few years building it, and the calm technical announcements coming from somebody who probably feels the same way...


> Just think of what we could see before SX. Some visualization on how rocket fly?

What do you mean? Rocket launches have been filmed for ages, and without the laugh track, see that random launch of Ariane 4 in 1988 for example, that includes an on-board view (the replay does include some clapping from spectators though):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_E4naQgTl0

You could already see them on live TV at the time. The Space X launches today certainly have better quality but it's not like launches were impossible to watch in the past.


Don't make fun of the way someone laughs. It'll sour someone's spontaneous joy, to think that every time they laugh, someone finds it annoying.


True. When I was in 9th grade, shortly before I was due to get braces, my teeth were quite crooked, and someone pointed out (in front of a lot of my friends) that they thought it looked grotesque when I laughed or smiled. It had a lasting negative effect on me, even after the braces came off and I had a great smile.


Great point to always consider people's humanity when doing something.


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Yikes.


That's pretty fucked up.


As a non-USian looking in, it seemed fairly average and non-horrible to me? I find it interesting to find several comments like this one here so prominently compared to the discussion thread about SpaceX launches.


It’s just people looking for something to crap on. God forbid those engineers celebrate years of their own work.


Yeah, I have seen some pretty annoying ones (on the spaceX streams) where they really make the cheering too loud, and from these comments I expected similar, but that... Really wasn't that bad at all. Just someone being excited. C'mon guys


Why is that interesting?


This is such a bizarre comment for me. If you strip that "momentous occasion for humanity" from its human component, then how is it a worthwhile historical document?




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